New beastmen rumors

[Mordante]

New rumors about the new beasts of chaos list from the General of Chaos on the Herdstone, also posted on Warseer.  Take it for what it is worth.  Direct from a GW contact he has, and is usually pretty accurate on his rumors.  Liiks good to me, my army still works, centigor are core!, dragon ogres are specials and hopefully will get a new model.  That's pretty much all I wanted.

All this below is quoted directly from GoC:

Looks like there just tweeking pretty much the same list over and over again now. This one looks like it's going to be wrap. With just a minor twist here or there, but there a 90% chance this is what your going to see come late November/ December.

Lords:
Beastlord
Great Bray Shaman
Doombull [magicial weapons and mutations only]
note- Lords can buy Chaos Armour for 10 pts

Hero's:
Wargor
Bray Shaman
Centigor

Core:
Beast Herd [rank up 5 wide]
Bestigors
Centigors [fast cav]
Warhounds

Special:
Tuskgor Chariots [2-1 choice]
Minotaurs [become core choice with Doombull]
Chaos Ogres
Dragon Ogres

Rare:
Chaos Giant
Shaggoth
Spawns
Gorgon - [stat line: M8 WS5 S5 T5 W5 I3 5A]

New rule change: If your General decides not to ambush, your general can have the chance for Beast Herd units to scout. [roll a D6]
1-2: Beast Herds are drunk and do not Scout
3-4: 1 unit of Beast Herds can Scout
5-6: 2 units of Beast Herds can scout

New models: Bestigors, Mino's, Dragon Ogre, Shamans, Beastlord/Wargor & Gorgon.

Lords can take 100 pts of magic items & 100 points of Chaos Mutations/Gifts. Hero's can take up to 50 points of magical items and 50 points of Chaos Mutations/Gifts.

Some interesting new items or Chaos Mutations/Gifts: [Mutations/Gifts can only be taken once]

* banner that turns Bestigors into Raider's like Beast Herds *
* breath gift * [breaths fire 25 pts]
* extra Two Arm Mutation * [adds +2 attacks to profile 50 pts]
* extra Horn * [adds a extra attack on the charge 20 pts]
* Hoof of Speed [double M5 model 30 pts]
* Stone Skin * [+2 to your armour save 25 pts]
* Staff of Darkoth is a bound item *
* Troll Hide * [50 pts for Regeneration]
* Unholy Beast Strength [+1S for 25 pts]
* Bloodstone Braystaff* [Arcane item that gives a +1LD to Shamans and +2 MR for 50 pts]

Spell Lores: Beasts of Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch are getting there own new lores. Very close to the WoC new lores with minor change to the lists. For Tzeentch player's I was told boon of Tzeentch is in there.

Inside thoughts from play tester's are: That a Doombull with Chaos Mutations can rival a Vampire Lord as a combat character now. Plus Chaos Armour & Stone Skin give him nice protection at 2+ armour save. He expects Doombull to be the most popular Lord choice!

Also by turning the Centigors into Fast Cav there no need to add flyers into a Beast of Chaos army. Between this move and the new Gorgon & Chaos Mutations, BoC should be able to compete very well in 7th edition.

I was told that they feel this list will pretty much go to print. That Games-Workshop and play testers are all happy with the end results so far. Will post more information as I get it. As I asked for the new lores so I can play test with my friends myself.

GoC

[Qrab]

I'm skeptical of some of the things in that list.

[Matt]

I'm skeptical of some of the things in that list.

Where is the trolls and Shaggoth Champ?
Fast Cav = Fliers?  What are they thinking??  Fliers are so much better than fast cav, it isn't even funny.
I'd be happy to see a Centigor hero, but we will have to wait and see.
What's up with the gorgon?  5 S5 attacks isn't all that great.  It's worse than a shaggoth.  What else can we expect to see from this guy?

I hope they do more with marks of chaos in this beast list than the last, but I'm also hoping that immune to psychology from slaanesh is either more expensive, or maybe have another effect for slaanesh.


-Matt

[Gobbla]

I know it's preliminary, but I don't see anything Uber or OTT.  Heck, is this a significant upgrade?  I also don't see a strong theme other than anything with cloven hooves or padded feet gets into the list (do Dragon Ogres have that strong of an association with Beastmen?).  Would be nice to see more Centagors being played, they are cool models.

[JohnHwangCC]

I believe you'll need to see GW release new, plastic Centigor models before they get better rules. 

[Qrab]

Does that mean Empire Archers and Greatswords are getting a rules upgrade? Cool!

[Matt]

I know it's preliminary, but I don't see anything Uber or OTT.  Heck, is this a significant upgrade?  I also don't see a strong theme other than anything with cloven hooves or padded feet gets into the list (do Dragon Ogres have that strong of an association with Beastmen?).  Would be nice to see more Centagors being played, they are cool models.

Now that I think about it, centigor fast cav as core is awesome.  Fast cav with S5 thrown weapons, T4 and a 4+ save in close combat.  Pretty sweet.  They'd be the perfect medium cav.  Don't see a lot of medium cav in this game.

-Matt

[JohnHwangCC]

Supposedly, there's a plastic Stank & Walter coming, so I'd expect those to get awesome rules.

[Qrab]

Just a plastic Steam Tank. I don't foresee the rules for it changing either.

As to these rumors, what I see is no different than the treatment that the Warriors of Chaos got. That is, looking at the list there's little reason to take Herds in an army, much like there's little reason to take Warriors in a WoC army. Doombull, Centigors, Minotaurs, Chariots, Dragon Ogres, Giant and a minimum herd to bodyguard your scroll caddies. Nothing but hammers.

In other words, one dimensional.

[Gobbla]

Silly Qrabbie, Chaos is for kids!

[JohnHwangCC]

Nothing but hammers.

In other words, one dimensional.

Isn't that par for WFB in general?

[Qrab]

Isn't that par for WFB in general?

No.